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 on: Today at 10:07:12 AM 
Started by Gary Summons - Last post by Gary Summons
Some news on this problem.

As I've said in other comments, the old Safedock models dont work in P3DV4. There is a bug in V4 in which is does not like old 'SCASM'  Library system OR the 'Interpolate' instruction. Using any of these will cause a crash for most P3DV4 users.

However I have managed to rework the old code to ovoid using Libraries and Interpolate  and they now work in P3DV4.

The Bad news is that is makes P3DV4 take 8 times longer to load the airport. My assumption here is that the Sim is converting all the old code internally, once loaded/converted it works fine and does not effect performance at all.


I'm not happy making your sim take 8times longer to load, so I will make the safedock file available separately for airports that use safedocks. The decision is then  with the user to use it or not.


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 on: Today at 07:29:47 AM 
Started by Gary Summons - Last post by Gary Summons
Yes the addon data doesn't need to go into the addon folder, as long as the XML is,  but that means there has to be 2 linked files locations. The user has to insure that the XML is there and the data  Path is there, this means more possible errors in both install and uninstall.

Whats wrong in adding and removing from the scenery Library GUI?.  It works and is simple, the scenery.cfg is outside of the main FS install, so again no problem.

Your welcome to skip the installer part that adds to the scenery.cfg, and making your own XML,  but I will be using scenery.cfg myself.
The Layering of the Commen Library relative to the Main product is not that important, it can be above or below. It does become important in relation to other addon that have the same airport. I good slice of my support time is spend telling users to make sure our airports are ABOVE FTX Airports, or AI Addon airports. How that's going to work in XML using different files and files names?

Correct if I'm wrong, but the SDK says each addon should have it's own XML file, but how does the sim organise those separate XML files into a loading order, and how does the user control that loading order?. User want and must be able to control the way the scenery is loaded, take that away and well lets see what happens.

Also what about checking for other conflicting addons? Using a single file scenery.cfg, the installer can check for other addons that have entires in the scenery.cfg ,how do your do that with multiple XML files in unknown name paths?.

By the way your entries and wrong, you dont need to point to both effects folders, they the same files.

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 on: Today at 07:21:52 AM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by Gary Summons
Roughly every week, but initially I need to make sure the new installer works ok, before rushing them out.  Manchester will be next, probably this week end

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 on: Yesterday at 10:55:57 PM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by chris coleman
Hi gary just wondered if there was an eta for airports being converted to p3d v4 i.e will be an airport converted each week?
 Also i have detected a bug with EGLC with grass replacing the water surrounding the airport and buildings missing

Cheers

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 on: Yesterday at 10:32:09 PM 
Started by Gary Summons - Last post by Zane Ricks
The install of the scenery does not have to go in the Prepar3d V4 Add-ons directory, only the add-on.xml file, which points toward the install location. For example:
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<SimBase.Document Type="AddOnXml" version="4,0" id="add-on">
  <AddOn.Name>UK2000 Common Library</AddOn.Name>
  <AddOn.Description>Content for scenery</AddOn.Description>
  <AddOn.Component>
    <Category>Scenery</Category>
    <Path>F:\Prepar3d Addons\UK2000 scenery\UK2000 Common Library</Path>
    <Name>UK2000 Common Library</Name>
    <Layer>135</Layer>
  </AddOn.Component>
  <AddOn.Component>
    <Category>Effects</Category>
    <Path>F:\Prepar3d Addons\UK2000 scenery\UK2000 Common Library\Effects</Path>
  </AddOn.Component>
  <AddOn.Name>UK2000 Heathrow</AddOn.Name>
  <AddOn.Description>Content for scenery</AddOn.Description>
  <AddOn.Component>
    <Category>Scenery</Category>
    <Path>F:\Prepar3d Addons\UK2000 scenery\UK2000 Heathrow Xtreme</Path>
    <Name>UK2000 Heathrow</Name>
    </AddOn.Component>
  <AddOn.Component>
    <Category>Effects</Category>
    <Path>F:\Prepar3d Addons\UK2000 scenery\UK2000 Heathrow Xtreme\Effects</Path>
  </AddOn.Component>
</SimBase.Document>

is how I layed out my Heathrow installation in V4. From my understanding, sceneries are added from the top down (basically a LIFO queue) in the Prepar3d scenery library, so in my scenery library the common library is below Heathrow in the library (note they are not guaranteed to be next to each other, just on before the other). The <Path> tag specifies where on the computer the scenery resides (I suppose it could even be on a networked drive, though I have not tried). Additionally, you can use the <Layer> tag to specify a specific place in the scenery library for the scenery, with 1 being the base world layer and around 125 or 130 the usual addon start location (I have Orbx sceneries, so mine is slightly different.) Here's a large conversation on Avsim about the different tags and how to use them that goes into way more depth than I do here: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/511794-how-to-manually-add-sceneryaddons-into-p3d-v4-the-right-way/. Hope this helps!

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 on: Yesterday at 07:50:17 AM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by Gary Summons
>What does removing the .bgls you listed in the other post actually remove

The thing that will be most noticeable is the Docking systems will not be there.

 7 
 on: June 20, 2017, 07:53:29 PM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by Jason Dilley
Personally I see no visual improvement to V4 over V3, I dont get any OOM in V3 and never have done, it's been 100% reliable.

My V4 FPS is 20% lower than V3  which was disappointing and that's with default or addon scenery, and the anisotropic filtering is more blury than V3, so at the moment I  have no reason to use V4 for flying as there nothing wrong with my V3 performance and look. That situation may change as more is added to V4.





What does removing the .bgls you listed in the other post actually remove?  I've done this for Heathrow and i will happily take being there with this doctored version in the PMDG 747, ai traffic full weather,  etc  etc and still getting 30 FPS, and I'm more than happy with how it looks still, have never had that sort of FPS at Heathrow.

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 on: June 20, 2017, 07:05:43 PM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by Gary Summons
Personally I see no visual improvement to V4 over V3, I dont get any OOM in V3 and never have done, it's been 100% reliable.

My V4 FPS is 20% lower than V3  which was disappointing and that's with default or addon scenery, and the anisotropic filtering is more blury than V3, so at the moment I  have no reason to use V4 for flying as there nothing wrong with my V3 performance and look. That situation may change as more is added to V4.




 9 
 on: June 20, 2017, 06:46:16 PM 
Started by Gary Summons - Last post by Gary Summons
UK2000 Now has a new installer that will be introduced as products are updated.

With so many sims it has become increasing difficult to maintain so many installer variation. I must have 100+ installers, updates and demos.

The new system involves all the product scenery assets in ONE "content package", it then uses a separate installer to install into your particular sim. Each sim requires different BGL files, but most image files are the same across most sims.

I would recommend you store all Airport Content package files and the separate installer in the same storage folder. The Installer will auto download when first run any of the package files.

The advantages are:
1) Less files both for me and less files for you if you use multiple sims on the same PC.
2) Auto updates when you run the package
3) Easier for me to to update the content package.
4) Easier for me to update the installer method without touching the Content packages. (So when there's a new sim, I Just add that to the installer)

Please be aware that first time you use this system it will Auto download the Installer and Commen Library again.


Another change is I'm not installer lots of links into your Start Menu for each airport. If you want to see the Manual or use the OPTIONS program, use your file Explorer and look in the products folder.

I dont think the majority of users want these links, filling up your Start-All programs with UK2000 links is not necessary, you can always do that yourself if you want to.


Currently there is no Auto Uninstall, so you want to remove, you remove it from your Scenery Library list, then delete the actual product folder.


 10 
 on: June 20, 2017, 06:44:10 PM 
Started by Kevin Firth - Last post by Christopher Low
The question is.....which addons will I have to drop? They are all important to me, otherwise I would not be using them. Whilst I would like to be able to upgrade to P3D v4, I don't actually need to at the moment (based on what I actually enjoy doing in the simulator). I will of course monitor the progress of this "64bit phenomenon", and consider my options on a regular basis Wink

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