Double jetways

[Ed Burr]

Hi,

I must congratulate the team for an excellent product in the shape of Stansted extreme and gatwick free. they are a great improvement on the original.

I have an issue with gatwick free, I have double jetways which look really peculiar. They are not visible as double jetways until one attaches to an aircraft, then only one moves and the other stays in its original place. There is a similar message in this forum which also pinpoints this problem. No matter how hard I've tried I cannot recitify this. The problem only occurs with gatwick and not stansted. My specs are as follows.

FSX SP2
Just flight traffic 2005 installed into FSX with all patches
Stansted extreme
Gatwick free
Wilco airbus vol 1

So far I have tried check for files with EGKK in the title to look for duplicates afcad files - none.
Removed gatwick free and stansted and then reinstalled - same issue.
Check all scenery.cfg files for duplicate entries - none.
I have removed the files in the gatwick free scenery folder and placed then back one at a time, these files are:

EGKK_afx_UK2f.BGL
EGKK_CVX0501.bgl
EGKK_Fence_FSX.bgl
EGKK_GroundFSX.bgl
EGKK_Main_FSX.bgl
EGKK_Obj_FSX.bgl
EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl

The main airport file is obviously necessary, however the problem will disappear if I just remove the xml exclude file EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl, perhaps there is a conflict in this file. Removing this file unfortunately places the original buildings back into the scenery which looks far worse.

Also I've opened the EGKK_afx_UK2f.BGL file in ADE which has an airport fault finder built in. It reported a few problems with this airport but I don't think it's relevant.

Any help would be appreciated.

Ed.

[Norman Dean]

This is a topic that often comes up. The answer is that you have another AFD file for Gatwick on your system. It will either be in another version of Gatwick has hasn't been uninstalled properly or else in the folder of an ai ayetem.

Norman

[Andrew Baker]

Norman I think you failed to read all that the gentleman wrote, he has checked his system top to toe for conflicting AFCADS and didn't find any, he even pointed out which file was causing the problem.

however the problem will disappear if I just remove the xml exclude file EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl,

[George Davison]

Andrew,

That file excludes the default buildings, eg.

Code:

      excludeAllObjects="FALSE"
      excludeBeaconObjects="TRUE"
      excludeEffectObjects="TRUE"
      excludeGenericBuildingObjects="TRUE"
      excludeLibraryObjects="TRUE"
      excludeTaxiwaySignObjects="TRUE"
      excludeTriggerObjects="TRUE"
      excludeWindsockObjects="TRUE"

The jetways are included/excluded by AFD files.

George

[Andrew Baker]

So explain how the problem disappears for the OP when he removes that file.

[George Davison]

So explain how the problem disappears for the OP when he removes that file.

I have no idea Andrew, unfortunately I don't have Gatwick Free, but the Gatwick Xtreme AFD file has:

         deleteAllJetways="TRUE"

which will remove the default jetways, another AFD file could add others.

He does have Just flight traffic 2005 which may include an FS9 AFD file for Gatwick.

[Andrew Baker]

Yeah but the unusual thing is that these other jetways are static, one set moves to the aircraft and the other stays put, I find that most unusual and I've not come across it ever before until very recently. I'm still convinced its something to do with AES but Oliver says its not.

[George Davison]

Yeah but the unusual thing is that these other jetways are static, one set moves to the aircraft and the other stays put.

Ah, I see. In that case, it seems that they are scenery objects. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to exclude these without excluding those defined in the AFD.

However, not all users (myself included) see the double jetways. I guess many users do not have AES.

George

[Andrew Baker]

I didn't have a problem in the past either, and I  am convinced its AES that causes the problem, no matter what I do I cant remove these static jetways even if I delete all the AES junk. I have a feeling he installs his junk somewhere else as well, but I really cant be bothered searching for it anymore. When I do a rebuild in a few weeks time when W7 is released AES will be going nowhere near my system again, I cant be doing with the down right rudeness of the man anyway and I shall not be lining his pockets anymore.

[Norman Dean]

Hi Andy,

As I also do not have AES then that did not occur to me as a solution. However, if it does include static jetways then that could well be the cause.

As far as searching for AFD files is concerned, there are many formats that the various search apps do not find. This especially happens when the files are hidden inside other bgls, and also when a non standard format is used.

Norman

[Ed Burr]

Thanks for all the replies guys,

I can now confirm that I have resolved this issue and now I have single jetways with gatwick free that connect very nicely to my traffic 2005 AI aircraft and other aircraft.

BTW for those who have installed traffic 2005 into FSX and applied all the patches you may still find that the jetways do not move to your plane. You'll need to install a patch I created and uploaded onto just flights website earlier this year. It updates the exits for the AI planes so the jetways and baggage ramp know where to connect and also corrects the wingspans so they do not park in too small a parking space.

But back to the problem at hand. As Norman explained in the first reply he suspected that the problem was due to another AFD conflicting with the new one. Since I had searched the system for the suspect file without any luck I thought that perhaps the previous installation of gatwick extreme could be the cause. The files for this were now completely removed but maybe there was something being left behind that hadn't removed properly. So I did the following.

Remove gatwick free. The proper way as follows.

Go into FSX and remove the scenery form the library and delete the area. This forces FSX to rebuild scenery database.
Go into control panel, add remove programs and uninstall gatwick free.

Reinstall gatwick extreme. In the option and setup click add to scenery.
Open FSX, new scenery database created. Problem still exists.

Remove Gatwick Extreme the proper way as follows.

Go into FSx and remove scenery from the library and delete the area. database rebuild. exit fsx
Go into start/programs/ukscenery2000/gatwick extreme/options and setup and check that the option to remove scenery is greyed out.
Uninstall Gatwick extreme from the control panel - add remove programs. This removes files and other things like registry entries, but I don't know exactly what.
Into Fsx again and check scenery library is empty of uk200scenery entries. This should put you back to the stock gatwick airport, complete with working single jetways.

Reinstall gatwick free and problem resolved.

In my opinion the problem occured because something was left behind from a previous installation of gatwick extreme and only reinstalling and removing it again properly took that away. However what I would still like to know is whatcaused the conflict as this is still not clear. Any thoughts Norman?

Certainly Traffic 2005 was not to blame.

Thanks for your insights everyone.

Ed.

[Ed Burr]

Sorry to say that the problem has returned.  It definately was fine the first time I used it after reinstalling gatwick free, but later today I opened FSX again without changing anything and the problem has returned - double jetways.

If I remove the file EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl I get single jetways again but unfortuantely the stock buildings return.

There could well be a conflict with another AFD file inside another file but I cannot find it.

I will continue to look into this but any more suggestions would help.

Ed.

[Dave Garwood]

This problem isn't unique to Gatwick. I had exactly the same issue with Heathrow in the VFR pack.
I find it hard to believe it's an AFD file from another package as the 2 jetways are in exactly the same place.

In my case I cured it by buying Heathrow Extreme
Strangely frame rates seem better with the Extreme airport than the simpler  free / VFR version 

[Norman Dean]

Hmm,

In both the Free Gatwick and Heathrow in the VFR version the jetways are all default, as are all the ground textures. In the Xtreme Heathrow the jetways are Gary's own. However, the basic positoning of the jetways will correspond, as the layout of the airport is the same. So, if you have two versions of the UK2000 scenery on your system at the same time then there will be two active AFD files and the double jetways can result.

Norman

[Ed Burr]

Continuing with this problem I have removed Gatwick Free, confirmed that all uk200scenery files are gone by going into fsx and looking to see that only the default airport is there. Then I've installed gatwick extreme.

Initially the airport only had single jetways, then after closing FSX and restarting double jetways returned. No files have been changed.

Further investigation has revealed that by removing the files.

EGKK_CVX501.bgl
EGKKCALL1.BGL
EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl

and restarting FSX I have single jetways again, which function as expected.

Putting EGKK_xml_exc_fsx.bgl back again, open FSX and double jetways are back.

I suspect one of 2 possibilities, either the airport is being loaded twice for some reason, because as a previous post said, it is unusual that the jetways are in exactly the same place, or there is some sort of scenery caching going on within FSX and the airport/jetways are being loaded twice.

The reason I suspect the airport is loading twice is because by using ADE 1.45 and deleting one jetway. recompiling the bgl and looking at that location within FSX, there is not a single jetway there which you would expect if 2 different airports were conflicting, but no jetway appears at all.

Either way It's hard to know what else to do to try to resolve this.

I will be installing win7 64 bit in a dual boot configuration in the next couple of weeks and will be keen to do a fresh FSX install into there. I'll also install gatwick extreme without adding any traffic products. It will be interesting to see if the problem persists.

In the meantime any more suggestions as to what may be happening here?

Ed.